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	<title>Comments on: Be Where The Ball Will Travel &#8211; Not Where It Is Now</title>
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		<title>By: Garret Holford</title>
		<link>http://erplife.com/2010/02/18/goal-be-where-the-ball-will-travel-not-where-it-is-now/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garret Holford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Post. I searched the entire cyberspace for informations like u shared it on this post &quot;Be Where The Ball Will Travel &#8211; Not Where It Is Now   The ERP Lifestyle Consultant&quot;. Thanks a lot, it assisted me out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Post. I searched the entire cyberspace for informations like u shared it on this post &#8220;Be Where The Ball Will Travel &#8211; Not Where It Is Now   The ERP Lifestyle Consultant&#8221;. Thanks a lot, it assisted me out.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Schulz</title>
		<link>http://erplife.com/2010/02/18/goal-be-where-the-ball-will-travel-not-where-it-is-now/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Schulz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to include comments on the win ratio for Internet suspects because not everyone has dealt with those types of leads and sometimes it seems people think that the Internet is a super rich source of very easy profitable work --- which I find it is not (at least not easy).

We typically see 15-20 Internet leads in a busy month - and of the 30% who eventually close it is usually only after decent nurturing (newsletters, web seminars).

However when they close it&#039;s rarely in a bid situation and price is almost never a consideration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to include comments on the win ratio for Internet suspects because not everyone has dealt with those types of leads and sometimes it seems people think that the Internet is a super rich source of very easy profitable work &#8212; which I find it is not (at least not easy).</p>
<p>We typically see 15-20 Internet leads in a busy month &#8211; and of the 30% who eventually close it is usually only after decent nurturing (newsletters, web seminars).</p>
<p>However when they close it&#8217;s rarely in a bid situation and price is almost never a consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed has definitely opened my world to a new way of thinking. It is not easy but most things worth doing usually are not. We review and challenge ourselves while developing these new ways of thinking. 

It has proven to be an exciting and rewarding change in our world. We have not completely perfected it, but we are committed to it. 

Wayne comments on the winning percent from the internet requests is similar to what we experience as well. I don&#039;t feel bad about our win or lose rate on these prospects. We just try to learn from each of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed has definitely opened my world to a new way of thinking. It is not easy but most things worth doing usually are not. We review and challenge ourselves while developing these new ways of thinking. </p>
<p>It has proven to be an exciting and rewarding change in our world. We have not completely perfected it, but we are committed to it. </p>
<p>Wayne comments on the winning percent from the internet requests is similar to what we experience as well. I don&#8217;t feel bad about our win or lose rate on these prospects. We just try to learn from each of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Schulz</title>
		<link>http://erplife.com/2010/02/18/goal-be-where-the-ball-will-travel-not-where-it-is-now/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Schulz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not ashamed to admit that of 10 people who contact us through the Internet -- fully 7 never become customers. 

70% walk away - disappear - we never hear another word from them after we provide an estimated price!

That&#039;s because they&#039;re doing exactly what you describe - and looking for a low bid. In essence they self-filter themself as not being a candidate to become someone we&#039;d want as a client.

I kinda like that self-filtering even though it seems like our &quot;win&quot; rate is low.

I&#039;ve found that price shopping Internet customers are disloyal, don&#039;t appreciate your knowledge, argue nearly every bill and usually aren&#039;t worth the time.

I&#039;m ok that 70% of them never get back to me when I provide them with an honest assessment of what a start to finish price will be for the project they&#039;re inquiring about.

The other 30% who become clients? They&#039;ve usually (as you correctly point out) already experienced a less capable consultant or had some other issue.

I also find that developing some type of relationship with the prospective clients first is a great help in landing the 30%. We do that through informative newsletters and posts on our web sites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not ashamed to admit that of 10 people who contact us through the Internet &#8212; fully 7 never become customers. </p>
<p>70% walk away &#8211; disappear &#8211; we never hear another word from them after we provide an estimated price!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because they&#8217;re doing exactly what you describe &#8211; and looking for a low bid. In essence they self-filter themself as not being a candidate to become someone we&#8217;d want as a client.</p>
<p>I kinda like that self-filtering even though it seems like our &#8220;win&#8221; rate is low.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that price shopping Internet customers are disloyal, don&#8217;t appreciate your knowledge, argue nearly every bill and usually aren&#8217;t worth the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ok that 70% of them never get back to me when I provide them with an honest assessment of what a start to finish price will be for the project they&#8217;re inquiring about.</p>
<p>The other 30% who become clients? They&#8217;ve usually (as you correctly point out) already experienced a less capable consultant or had some other issue.</p>
<p>I also find that developing some type of relationship with the prospective clients first is a great help in landing the 30%. We do that through informative newsletters and posts on our web sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Manzer</title>
		<link>http://erplife.com/2010/02/18/goal-be-where-the-ball-will-travel-not-where-it-is-now/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Manzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne,

Good posting. I found this in a tweet, by the way, which tells me that social media tools are effective ways to get our message to a much wider audience!

The metaphor of going where the ball will be is an appropriate one. The problem as I see it, based on my 5 years of selling ERP, is that customers don&#039;t always follow the ball. Many are stuck in the same routine of looking for a lower price, which is often the hourly bid. Customers who&#039;ve been through an implementation before and were burned in the process appreciate the value of a fixed-fee approach. 

I think it comes down to an education process that has to happen during the sale cycle, don&#039;t you? The customer has to be made aware of the risks involved with the hourly approach versus the less risky fixed-fee approach. And that the perceived premium they pay for a fixed-fee will actually prevent them from getting bled to death with never-ending hourly billings.

Dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>Good posting. I found this in a tweet, by the way, which tells me that social media tools are effective ways to get our message to a much wider audience!</p>
<p>The metaphor of going where the ball will be is an appropriate one. The problem as I see it, based on my 5 years of selling ERP, is that customers don&#8217;t always follow the ball. Many are stuck in the same routine of looking for a lower price, which is often the hourly bid. Customers who&#8217;ve been through an implementation before and were burned in the process appreciate the value of a fixed-fee approach. </p>
<p>I think it comes down to an education process that has to happen during the sale cycle, don&#8217;t you? The customer has to be made aware of the risks involved with the hourly approach versus the less risky fixed-fee approach. And that the perceived premium they pay for a fixed-fee will actually prevent them from getting bled to death with never-ending hourly billings.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne, I totally agree with you. This is the way we&#039;ve been doing business, and I think it&#039;s a win-win situation for both our customers and ourselves. It&#039;s more profitable for us and the customers love to know the costs upfront.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, I totally agree with you. This is the way we&#8217;ve been doing business, and I think it&#8217;s a win-win situation for both our customers and ourselves. It&#8217;s more profitable for us and the customers love to know the costs upfront.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wood</title>
		<link>http://erplife.com/2010/02/18/goal-be-where-the-ball-will-travel-not-where-it-is-now/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record Ed is crazy, just not when it comes to his billing ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record Ed is crazy, just not when it comes to his billing ideas.</p>
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